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How Stuff Works - A Liberal/National 'Conscience' Vote


Q: When is a conscience vote not a conscience vote?

A: When you are told that you are of course free to exercise your conscience – just don’t be surprised if you’re out of a job come pre-selection time


That’s the situation facing Liberal and National members of the Victorian upper house, as the vote on Assisted Reproduction Treatment draws near – perhaps as soon as next week.

Both major parties have allowed their members a conscience vote – but the Liberals and Nationals are determined they won’t lose this one.

They lost on the same-sex relationship register, stem cell research and abortion, but now the party hierarchy has drawn a line in the sand.

‘They’ve had their three strikes,’ I was told, ‘one more and they’re out.’

The party is of course at liberty to impose discipline and insist all members toe the line – provided they do so publicly. Everyone would then know the party policy on the issue.

But if the LibNats do that, it’s an invitation to Labor to do likewise – and then the bill would almost certainly pass.

As it stands, by maintaining the illusion of a free vote by all members, some Labor members feel free to vote against the bill. Combine that with a 100% LibNat ‘No’ vote, and the bill goes down.

Of course, on the record it’s all above board, no pressure, totally free. But off the record it’s a different story. Members being told that if they vote for the bill – as their conscience dictates – then they can expect ‘very close scrutiny of your preselection’, according to one upper house member.


It’s not hard to work out who must be under this kind of pressure, whatever they may feel obliged to say in public. Genuine Liberals in the traditional Menzies mould, such as Matthew Guy, Andrea Coote, Wendy Lovell and Donna Petrovich, who have a record of supporting gay and lesbian issues, are obvious targets for this sort of bullying.

‘I wouldn’t use words like “threatened”, or “bullied”,’ said one source.

Being told you have to vote against your conscience while pretending to do the opposite, under threat of losing your job, sure looks a lot like bullying and threatening to me.

And it seems to work. There was a free vote in the lower house on the ART Bill – and not a single LibNat voted in favour. That’s rather too large a coincidence for me, even without the leaks now coming from the upper house.

The Victorian Liberal Party, that famously ‘broad church’, suddenly seems terribly narrow, doesn’t it?

UPDATE SUNDAY

I have been in touch with a Liberal or two and have been told that this story is, according to them, 'crap'. I have been told by a gay Liberal:

The Liberal Party simply doesn't work that way.

Opponents have thousands of letter writers. We have about three people. If you had three letters vs one thousand, which way would you go?


Well in my book a conscience vote means you vote according to your own personal conscience in the matter. Not the policy of your party, and not the conscisnce of your constituents, you PERSONAL conscience.

This 'reassurance' seems to me to affirm what I have been told - that pressure is being applied to get people to toe the line.

There are legitimate concerns about the Bill. I have told Corey they need to consult and find a way to split off sections of the Bill that will be palatable and get through.
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It’s been a dramatic week in gay and lesbian publishing, with the collapse of bnews and the sudden emergence of two new gay media – Canvas, an arts and entertainment magazine from Evolution Publishing, and Southern Star, from Sydney Star Observer.

And the NSW state government will funnel ‘hundreds of thousands of dollars’ to Mardi Gras to secure its future. Joining us in the studio to talk about both these events is the editor of Sydney Star Observer, Scott Abrahams.

The Red Cross ban on gay men donating blood resumed public hearings this week – we talk to the man bringing the action against the Red Cross, Michael Cain.

Last week the Matrix Guild, the support group for older lesbians produced a disturbing report on the problems facing rainbow seniors. The aged care system, it seems, doesn’t easily accommodate out gays and lesbians. Jane Kent from the Matrix Guild explains.

Insightful comment, wit and perspicacious questions are supplied by this week’s studio guests, Cathy Anderson – something of a gay media figure herself – and veteran gay advocate Ron Thiele, fresh from his travels through offshore islands and Melbourne emergency rooms.

Join us on Joy 94.9, onair at www.joy.org.au, 7pm AEST Thursday, and join in, text to 0427JOY949, email onair@joy.org.au, or call 9699 2949.

Doug Pollard
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The arrogance of the Catholic Church is quite breathtaking. Once again the Vatican is using blackmail to try to get its own way.

In the US, Catholic politicians who won’t vote as they are told have been threatened with excommunication.

In the UK the government was told that the church would shut down its adoption services unless they were allowed to discriminate against same-sex couples.

Now the Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart is threatening to shut down Catholic hospitals in Victoria if the democratically elected Parliament passes a Bill he doesn't like..

At issue is the abortion law reform going through state parliament. It recognizes that some doctors and nurses have ethical objections to abortion, and accommodates them by requiring that they make what is called an “effective referral” to another practitioner – one who is willing to provide a full service.

This is based on the existing British abortion law.

Hart said that providing an effective referral would be “co-operating in evil”, and if the Bill passed, Catholic doctors and nurses would be forced to break the law – or the church might have to get out of the hospital business altogether.

Catholic hospitals handle about a third of births in Victoria, and pregnancy and maternity services generally are currently overstretched, so the threat is a potent one.

Hart is in the wrong on several counts.

When a patient visits a doctor or hospital, the final decisions must always remain with the patient, not the doctor, and you can’t make a proper decision unless you have all the possible alternatives honestly and dispassionately placed before you.

If you choose a course of action – or inaction – to which the doctor has a moral objection, then the doctor has a duty to ensure that you continue to receive care, and must therefore refer you to another doctor who is capable of providing it. That is basic medical ethics. What a doctor cannot do is to cut you adrift and say, “I won’t treat you, and I refuse to help you find treatment elsewhere.”

Imagine a Jehovah’s Witness doctor, saying to his patient, “A blood transfusion would save your life, but because I believe transfusions are evil, I refuse to give you one. And I won’t call a doctor who will, either, because that would be co-operating with evil.”

Yet Hart says a Catholic doctor, faced with a woman who needs an abortion to save her life or her sanity, should do exactly that.

Despite what the Archbishop and others of his mindset might think, I do not take abortion lightly. But there will always be times when abortions are necessary, and they must therefore be available, with the highest possible degree of care and safety.

And as with any other medical procedure, the decision must always be a matter for the patient with the help and support of her doctor – whatever her decision. It is the patient’s morals that must inform the decision – the doctors moral judgments have little to do with the matter, and those of the hospital management even less.

He is also wrong to use blackmail to try to get his way. He might offer to reform Catholic hospitals, for example, so that they would in future be run by mutli-faith trusts, or by secular bodies. But to use pregnant women as pawns in a power play is despicable.
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Careless talk costs lives

August 5th 2008 00:08
Hangman's Noose

The old WW2 slogan is especially true when major public figures like politicians, churchmen and celebrities make ill-considered untrue statements about homosexuality. Such statements can quite literally kill.

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Bronwyn Pike
Bronwyn didn't pike it


The numbers may have been down – only about 300 turned out for this year’s Melbourne Equal Love Rally, well down on previous years – but two facts made it a memorable occasion


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Dark Night Priest


Well, I was going to lay off Jeff Kennett, but the man just keeps chewing on that foot in his mouth. In the Herald Sun today he continues to make a link between bisexuality and pedophilia. Such a link does not exist, and such a slur is incredibly damaging


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Should Jeff Kennett Apologise? (LINK)

July 27th 2008 22:37
I wrote about this yesterday.

The story also made Channel 7 news last night


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